Wednesday, October 08, 2008

Suing Olentangy Schools: levies, consultants, and public records (intro)

This is the teaser for a series on something strange in Olentangy. Stay tuned.

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why are we as taxpayer giving money to a Non Profit organizations?? Is this legal?

Anonymous said...

Someone needs to stand up to these evil people that keeps stealing taxpayers money.
I think that Mrs. Smith is doing a great job, but other people need to support her.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say "evil" (your anger is understandable, however). "Entitled" is a more fitting description.

Because we entrust our most precious treasure to these folks--our children--they have assumed an inflated sense of entitlement to unchecked, unlimited access and control of our most precious resource--our money. And because the board has not even bothered to look at expenses, district spending behaviors have evolved over time...(draw your own conclusions).

Anonymous said...

It'll probably take some empty bellies before enough people will have had enough to object to their slavery.

Anonymous said...

Evil may be an overstatement.... In their hearts, they are doing it for the kids. They are just prospering in the process, but so are your kids.

I don't agree... but that's how they think. In their minds, no price is too high when it comes to kids and education. Also, they believe that money solves every problem and provides a better education.

It does, just look at how our schools have excelled in the past 10 years as we've doubled the amount of tax revenue we've pumped into them. OK, enough sarcasm for now.

Anonymous said...

How are "our kids" prospering by our becoming poorer? Unless we are employed by the schools we are being made poorer. How in the world can anyone claim that all that tax money has improved education when we are told year after year, decade after decade that schools are failing? Pre-2000 we were told America 2000 was being done to drastically improve education. We were told we needed to spend more on education. Then GOALS 2000 was the buzz word. 2000 came. School restructuring had taken place. Billions more spent. Lots of people got rich. But education was still in crisis. Bush the Decider came in. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND was his title for the con. More money needed to deal with the crisis. But now we still have a crisis. It's a bigger crisis. We must tax ourselves more. And even when employees are claiming they are doing an "excellent" job they still demand more money. How to explain it? Stupidity.

Anonymous said...

" The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9
vs.
In their hearts, they are doing it for the kids. They are just prospering in the process, but so are your kids.

I believe The Bible.
I couldn't disagree more with the person who wrote the touchy-feely excuse for this con by government school employees. Whose kids are prospering by being corrupted by the evil indoctrination that goes on in government schools.

Anonymous said...

The Socialists across the street, typical Muirfield types, who spend conspicuously on frivolousness, have a VOTE FOR THE LEVY sign in their yard. They also send their kids out begging for the school. But until last year, for years, he had made his money working for the State. Now he makes it "privately" but still through connections to the State. His mother was a school teacher. Like so many of our fellow citizens he and his family are of the parasite class.

Anonymous said...

My interest in the real goings-on behind public education goes back fifteen years. That well-known caveat, "Follow The Money" definitely applies in the case of "education". There are people and companies all over America who have made out like bandits by using government school employees to funnel tax money to them. A semi-sympathetic retired school superintendent signed me up to receive mailings from the con-men who have become rich conducting "training" sessions for government school employees. Teachers travel to these bogus sessions to be trained in Systems Education and we pay for it. William Spady, called the Father of Outcome Based Education became rich with his snake oil speeches and his fake-improvements. The enormity of this crooked operation is sickening to me.

Anonymous said...

Hey 6:36, read 4:06's post again.

The person said they don't agree with how the district/teachers think.

Don't be so quick to eat your own! : )

Anonymous said...

The hypocrisy of the republicans in Delaware County is what bothers me when it comes the these school issues. Firstly, they'll dismiss a presidential candidate because he'll raise taxes on those making $250k/yr and more. That's a lot of money. But they'll be quick to approve an increase in property taxes. By nearly 2 to 1! Taxes that affect every homeowner regardless of his/her salary.

I just don't get it. Why is it OK to tax and spend at the local level but not OK at the national level? I'm not taking sides on the taxation issue I'm just wondering why one is OK while the other is not OK? Why are huge deficits at the national level OK while additional taxes are easily approved at the local level?

Anonymous said...

Why does salary have any basis in a taxation discussion?

Why punish those who are succesful?

Why take more from those who have sacraficed and given up personal time to better themselves so they are more successful and make more money?

Why take more from the business owner who took a risk and made it to the other side, building a business that employs and provides a living to other people?

Why does any part of society accept the continual increase in Government involvement in our daily lives?

When do we reach a breaking point where we have another American Revolution?

I think we are close to that point.

Anonymous said...

Again I write, taxing the money that a man/woman is paid in exchange for their labor is evil. A person agrees with another person to exchange his/her time, talent, sweat, knowledge, whatever for an amount of money from someone else. That's an even exchange. I mow your lawn and you hand me 25 bucks. We're even. The government comes in and demands a cut of that exchange. Government operates just like the Mafia. After stealing your money they pay themselves and also spend it on multitudes of people and things that you would never, in a million years, spend your own money on. The government steals your money and sends millions and billions out of the country, to other countries. This is INSANE and we all go along with it.

Anonymous said...

Highly unusual. Today's Dispatch. Actually letting the public in on a teensy bit of the truth about school teachers' salaries. Most people have no idea how the whole thing works. Which allows teachers to continue that poor-mouthing that is their stock-in-trade. Teachers start out at one point and get effectively 9% a year increases because they get a negotiated annual increase plus another increase because they have one more year of teaching "experience". So in ten years they've gone from about $35,000.00 a year to about $65,000.00 a year This is quite a lot considering they only work about 175 days a year compared to the rest of us who work about 240 days a year. Pile on that the fact that they get about 80% of their final salary in retirement income. This after working about 30 years making them in their early 50s when the gravy starts rolling in. I don't know how people like this, in good conscience, can say they're underpaid. One of their other tricks is to play the round-robin game where they find another school that pays more than the one they are employed by and demand raises. When they get raises another bunch at another school then plays that game. If you suggest they go get employed at the other school paying more they claim there are other considerations than money, such as how much they enjoy their present surroundings. I wonder what got into the Statists at the Dispatch?

Anonymous said...

1:55
You are only partially informed as are many who simply spout numbers inaccurately to make everything sound worse.

I am not saying that teachers are underpaid at all, by the way, because I don't think they are, even though people with the same level of education and experience in other professions are often paid more. Most teachers I know never complain about their pay either. How do I know this? My best friend is a teacher and I happen to know several teachers, so I know how the system works. But, some do, so people such as yourself assume all teachers can be lumped into one basket, something I am sure you wouldn't appreciate it it were done to you.
Teachers "officially" work 185 days, but many work a lot more than that because they work planning lessons and grading papers on weekends when others have put their jobs behind them for a couple of days and are relaxing.
Many also often work in the summer, especially August, to prep for the next year.

Teachers don't typically get 80% of their pay upon retirement. The typical teacher who has taught 30 years gets 66% of their pay and at 35 years gets 77%. Did you know that teachers contribute 10% of their own money off the top EVERY paycheck? Most people don't save that much of their own money for retirement.

One last thing. I don't know a single teacher who doesn't wish schools were funded some other way. It has become popular to bash teachers of late because of how they are paid. Believe me, they wish it would change.

Anonymous said...

And don't forget the tremendous health benefits they recieve. While most American's have seen a 30% increase in our shared health coverage costs and increases in co-pays and decreases in chioces for care, the teachers unions have held tight to their significantly better than average health care benefits.

Jim Fedako said...

8:53 --

"It has become popular to bash teachers of late because of how they are paid. Believe me, they wish it would change."

Nonsense! Teachers hold all of the power relative to the pay system. Their unions are the most powerful unions in Ohio. If those folks wanted market wages, they could de-unionize. But they don't.

Catch the teachers during contract negotiations -- you will see the head-busting union hack where your beloved teacher once stood.

The reality is that most teachers support their unions and the unions' agendas -- no matter how perverse.

No sympathy here.

Anonymous said...

Do you actually think teachers like that their pay is tied to property taxes? They end up paying part of their own salaries for goodness' sake and don't you think it would be uncomfortable knowing that their neighbors are funding it? I can't imagine a teacher who didn't wish that schools were not funded by property taxes.

By the way, do you know if there are any states that don't fund schools that way? If so, why is it that Ohio can't follow that model since school funding was deemed unconstitutional numerous times?

Anonymous said...

I really had to chuckle when I got to that part about how teachers work on weekends grading papers and how they work in August doing planning. So predictable. And then crying about contributing "their own money". My spouse contributed her/his own money too. And didn't get ANYTHING NEAR the percentage of salary those teachers get. Teachers ALWAYS pull out that silliness about how they grade papers every night and take homework with them to doctor's appointments and blah, blah, blah. In our district they get their spouses to write letters to the editor crying about that stuff. They claim there just aren't enough hours in the day to get it all done. Once, when school was canceled because of snow (and my spouse had gone off to work through that snow) I called one of the crybabies at home. Yes, she was there. I asked why she didn't use this day to get to work and catch up on all that stuff she had been crying about not having time to do. Of course she claimed she wasn't able to get there but all the other people went to work that day.

Anonymous said...

anon 8:53
"Many also often work in the summer, especially August, to prep for the next year."
Har har. Why not write: Most have their entire summers off and can either take it easy or make some extra money at another job.
"...same level of education"?
By that do you mean "they spent four years in some college"? In our experience there's quite a difference between a school teacher's education and that of, say, an engineer's. Our child roomed with a student in "education" While our child was sweating through extremely difficult classes in Engineering our child's roomie was cutting pictures out of magazines and pasting them on poster board. There are vast differences between the effort required for various degrees.
I can't think of any other way for teachers to be paid other than bleeding the rest of us. But the additional crime is the government schools are so evil in what they are doing and we can't get out of aiding and abetting their evil. Generations ago parents hired tutors and teachers and had control over who was influencing their families. There was free enterprise involved also because both parties decided on the exchange. Now we all pay but we have no say.

Anonymous said...

anon 8:53
"Many also often work in the summer, especially August, to prep for the next year."
Har har. Why not write: Most have their entire summers off and can either take it easy or make some extra money at another job.
"...same level of education"?
By that do you mean "they spent four years in some college"? In our experience there's quite a difference between a school teacher's education and that of, say, an engineer's. Our child roomed with a student in "education" While our child was sweating through extremely difficult classes in Engineering our child's roomie was cutting pictures out of magazines and pasting them on poster board. There are vast differences between the effort required for various degrees.
I can't think of any other way for teachers to be paid other than bleeding the rest of us. But the additional crime is the government schools are so evil in what they are doing and we can't get out of aiding and abetting their evil. Generations ago parents hired tutors and teachers and had control over who was influencing their families. There was free enterprise involved also because both parties decided on the exchange. Now we all pay but we have no say.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 1:55 PM:

"Many also often work in the summer, especially August, to prep for the next year."

Awww...taxpayers shelled out $225K for guidance counselors and librarians to cut their summer vacation short by two weeks so they could schedule kids for the next school year and stock books. How absurd is that? They work 6 hours per day, 185 days per year...and we still have to pay many of them extra to do what should already be part of their job descriptions.