Monday, December 21, 2009

Are they also "for the kids?"

(HT to a reader of this blog)

When it's school district employees bilking property owners, it's all "for the kids." So what is it when it's federal employees bilking taxpayers? Is it still "for the kids?" -- Jim

From American Thinker:

December 16, 2009
Federal Employees at the Trough

By Paul B. Matthews

Last week, USA Today reported that nearly one in five federal government employees now earn over $100,000. The paper also reported the average federal salary rose to $71,260, almost $31,000 more than the comparative average private-sector wage.

Within the Department of Defense, over 10,000 employees (as of June 2009) now earn at least $150,000 per year, a 5½-fold increase in the number of employees eclipsing this salary threshold from just eighteen months ago.

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Anonymous said...

Incredible. Who would ever have thought that the Pentagon would do a recon and acquisition of Olentangy's compensation practices.

Unlike the DoD, which has been known to pay $1,000 for a hammer, OLSD pays employees $100,000 who are as dumb as hammers.

Anonymous said...

The $100,000 salary thresh hold became common many years ago. This is an outdated measure when college graduates in engineering are starting at $70-80,000 without any job experience. As an old timer I'm shocked at how much people get paid today but that is what the market bears.

Looking at a bulk salary figures without looking at the specific job and required qualifications is not a valid technique unless all one wants to do is make a point.

Jim Fedako said...

9:24 --

There is no market for federal jobs. The market is a monopsony.

Anonymous said...

Government jobs are indexed to what they BELIEVE they're equivalents pay in the private sector. But the government managers and bean counters making these judgements have never worked in the private sector, so they are unable to tell (or unwilling to understand) that they're comparing apples to oranges. So, just because a, say, civil engineer in the private sector makes $80K it doesn't mean that his workload or value product is equal to that of his public sector counterpart. You'll see that, invariably, his responsibilities/liabilities and workload greatly exceeds his public sector counterpart, as well as the volume and quality of what he produces.

Look at public school district treasurers. SWC is a poor performer, yet the treasurer makes $118,000 base salary (and then the usual accoutrements on top of that). Look at OLSD's treasurer--same thing. The board is quick to say, "well we have to stay competitive to other districts and the private sector". But every finance manager I work with who makes what these treasurer's make oversees budgets many, many times larger than school districts, and the responsibilities, risks and liabilities they are burdened with are enormous--incomprehensible to any treasurer. That said, the value-adds of having medicare reimbursed, not paying Social Security tax, 25% annual fully paid retirement contribution, health at 1/4 the cost, etc. etc. etc. are incomprehensible to every finance manager I tell this to. They're like "huh???". And they're Olentangy tax payers.

The public-private sector pay gap was 20 years ago. The public sector has long since caught up and exceeded the private sector, job-for-job. This insanity has got to end for this district to be sustainable.

Anonymous said...

The market is for an engineer or program manager. There is a market for the job and the person.

This is where I disagree with you often. Government is not the market. They compete for employees with private industry. Engineers or program managers can go work for these companies or they can go work for the government. That creates competition and drives up salaries in government.

Anonymous said...

"That creates competition and drives up salaries in government"

...but, unlike the market, government salaries never go down.

Anonymous said...

7:43 -- And the private sector benefits, risk, and requirement to proove oneself every single day doesn't exist in the public sector.

Private sector jobs often require more than 40 hour work weeks. That doesn't occur in public sector jobs unless overtime is paid.

Anonymous said...

I've worked with plenty of government employees that put in more than 40 hours and never got overtime.

My experience with government employees is not that much different than my experience with employees of large corporations. There are good and bad in both environments.

Salaried engineers at Boeing get overtime. Salaried engineers at the Army do not.

Hourly employees at any corporation get overtime. Hourly employees at the government get overtime.

Anonymous said...


What?!?! I was a teacher for 5 years and I put in 50+ hours every week!!!

Anonymous said...


Except from the second week of June until the 4th week of August. As well as the all the 3/4 four day "work day" weekends.....oh and don't forget December 19 through January 4....and March 20-28.

Yep those 50 hours are pretty tough when you add it all together!!!!

Oh and did you actually work 50 hours....or just 32.5 (6.5 per day in the classroom) and hung around for the other 18? Gee, did you get any extra stipends you aren't disclosing?